Train services at Weert on September 10, 2018

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Weert on Monday, September 10, 2018. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Weert
Monday, September 10, 2018
Total services 163
On time 159 (98%)
Cancelled services 0 (0%)
Delayed trains* 4 (2%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

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05:00 – 06:00

2 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 05:31 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6418 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2216 ->
— 05:50 +1 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6420 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2208, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->

06:00 – 07:00

6 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:16 06:16 Schagen Intercity 818 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9587, VIRM-4 9522 ->
— 06:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6422 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2509, FLIRT FFF-3 2218 ->
06:35 06:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3920 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9419, VIRM-4 9480 ->
06:46 +1 06:46 +1 Alkmaar Intercity 820 2
VIRM-4VIRM-6
VIRM-4 9570, VIRM-6 8621 ->
06:47 06:47 Maastricht Intercity 2915 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8728 ->
— 06:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6424 3a
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->

07:00 – 08:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:05 +1 07:05 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3922 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9556, VIRM-4 9416 ->
07:16 07:16 Alkmaar Intercity 822 2
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8640, VIRM-4 9595 ->
07:17 07:17 Maastricht Intercity 2917 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8707 ->
— 07:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6426 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2203, FLIRT FFF-4 2518 ->
07:26 07:26 Heerlen Intercity 3917 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
07:35 07:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3924 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9575, VIRM-4 9562 ->
07:46 07:46 Alkmaar Intercity 824 2
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8654, VIRM-4 9594 ->
07:47 07:47 Maastricht Intercity 2919 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8647 ->
— 07:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6428 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2216 ->
07:56 +1 07:56 +1 Heerlen Intercity 3919 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9450 ->

08:00 – 09:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:05 +1 08:05 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3926 2
VIRM-4VIRM-6
VIRM-4 9510, VIRM-6 8649 ->
08:16 08:16 Alkmaar Intercity 826 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9596, VIRM-4 9579 ->
08:17 08:17 Maastricht Intercity 2921 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->
— 08:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6430 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2208, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
08:26 +2 08:26 +2 Heerlen Intercity 3921 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9573 ->
08:35 08:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3928 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8632 ->
08:44 08:44 Maastricht Intercity 823 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8637 ->
08:46 08:46 +1 Alkmaar Intercity 828 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8728 ->
— 08:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6432 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2509, FLIRT FFF-3 2218 ->
08:55 08:55 Heerlen Intercity 3923 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8726 ->

09:00 – 10:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:05 09:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3930 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
09:14 +1 09:14 +1 Maastricht Intercity 825 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9481 ->
09:16 09:16 +2 Alkmaar Intercity 830 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8707 ->
— 09:20 +1 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6434 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-4 2523 ->
09:25 09:25 Heerlen Intercity 3925 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
09:35 09:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3932 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9450 ->
09:44 +3 09:44 +3 Maastricht Intercity 827 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8727 ->
09:46 09:46 Alkmaar Intercity 832 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8647 ->
— 09:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6436 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2203, FLIRT FFF-4 2518 ->
09:55 09:55 Heerlen Intercity 303927 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8663 ->

10:00 – 11:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:05 10:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3934 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9573 ->
10:14 10:14 Maastricht Intercity 829 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8659 ->
10:16 10:16 Alkmaar Intercity 834 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->
— 10:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6438 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2216 ->
10:25 10:25 +2 Heerlen Intercity 3929 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9525, VIRM-4 9559 ->
10:35 10:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3936 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8726 ->
10:44 +5 10:44 +5 Maastricht Intercity 831 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9548 ->
10:46 10:46 +1 Alkmaar Intercity 836 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8637 ->
— 10:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6440 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2208, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
10:55 +3 10:55 +3 Heerlen Intercity 3931 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9576 ->

11:00 – 12:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:05 11:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3938 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
11:14 11:14 Maastricht Intercity 833 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8608 ->
11:16 11:16 Alkmaar Intercity 838 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9481 ->
— 11:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6442 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2509, FLIRT FFF-3 2218 ->
11:25 11:25 Heerlen Intercity 3933 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9550 ->
11:35 11:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3940 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8663 ->
11:44 +2 11:44 +3 Maastricht Intercity 835 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9587 ->
11:46 +2 11:46 +3 Alkmaar Intercity 840 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8727 ->
— 11:50 +1 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6444 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-4 2523 ->
11:55 11:55 Heerlen Intercity 3935 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9508 ->

12:00 – 13:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:05 12:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3942 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9559, VIRM-4 9525 ->
12:14 +1 12:14 +7 Maastricht Intercity 837 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8640 ->
12:16 12:16 Alkmaar Intercity 842 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8659 ->
— 12:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6446 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2203, FLIRT FFF-4 2518 ->
12:25 12:25 Heerlen Intercity 3937 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9480 ->
12:35 12:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3944 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9576 ->
12:44 12:44 Maastricht Intercity 839 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9594 ->
12:46 12:46 Alkmaar Intercity 844 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9548 ->
— 12:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6448 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2216 ->
12:55 12:55 Heerlen Intercity 3939 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9416 ->

13:00 – 14:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:05 13:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3946 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9550 ->
13:14 13:14 Maastricht Intercity 841 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9579 ->
13:16 13:16 +1 Alkmaar Intercity 846 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8608 ->
— 13:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6450 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2208, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
13:25 +1 13:25 +1 Heerlen Intercity 3941 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9562 ->
13:35 13:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3948 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9508 ->
13:44 +2 13:44 +3 Maastricht Intercity 300843 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8647 ->
13:46 13:46 Schagen Intercity 848 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9587 ->
— 13:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6452 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2509, FLIRT FFF-3 2218 ->
13:55 13:55 Heerlen Intercity 3943 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->

14:00 – 15:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:05 14:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3950 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9480 ->
14:14 14:14 Maastricht Intercity 845 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9596 ->
14:16 14:16 Schagen Intercity 850 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8640 ->
— 14:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6454 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-4 2523 ->
14:25 14:25 Heerlen Intercity 3945 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8632 ->
14:35 14:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3952 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9416 ->
14:44 14:44 Maastricht Intercity 847 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8728 ->
14:46 14:46 Schagen Intercity 852 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9594 ->
— 14:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6456 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2203, FLIRT FFF-4 2518 ->
14:55 +1 14:55 +1 Heerlen Intercity 3947 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->

15:00 – 16:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:05 15:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3954 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9562 ->
15:14 15:14 +1 Maastricht Intercity 849 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->
15:16 15:16 Schagen Intercity 854 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9579 ->
— 15:20 +2 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6458 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2216 ->
15:25 15:25 +2 Heerlen Intercity 3949 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9450, VIRM-4 9510 ->
15:35 15:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3956 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->
15:44 15:44 Maastricht Intercity 851 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8637 ->
15:46 15:46 Den Helder Intercity 856 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8647 ->
— 15:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6460 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2208, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
15:55 15:55 Heerlen Intercity 3951 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9573 ->

16:00 – 17:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:05 16:05 +4 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3958 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8632 ->
16:14 16:14 Maastricht Intercity 853 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9481 ->
16:16 16:16 Den Helder Intercity 858 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9596 ->
— 16:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6462 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2509, FLIRT FFF-3 2218 ->
16:25 16:25 Heerlen Intercity 3953 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8726 ->
16:35 16:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3960 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
16:44 16:44 Maastricht Intercity 855 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8727 ->
16:46 +1 16:46 +2 Den Helder Intercity 860 2
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8728, VIRM-4 9580 ->
— 16:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6464 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-4 2523 ->
16:55 16:55 Heerlen Intercity 3955 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->

17:00 – 18:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:05 17:05 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3962 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9510, VIRM-4 9450 ->
17:14 +2 17:14 +2 Maastricht Intercity 857 3b
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8659, VIRM-4 9420 ->
17:16 17:16 Alkmaar Intercity 862 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->
— 17:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6466 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2203, FLIRT FFF-4 2518 ->
17:25 +1 17:25 +4 Heerlen Intercity 303957 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9524, VIRM-4 9443 ->
17:35 17:35 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 3964 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9573 ->
17:44 17:44 Maastricht Intercity 859 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9522, VIRM-4 9548 ->
17:46 17:46 Alkmaar Intercity 864 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8637 ->
— 17:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6468 3a
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2216 ->
17:55 17:55 +2 Heerlen Intercity 3959 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9525, VIRM-4 9559 ->

18:00 – 19:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:05 +1 18:05 +1 Eindhoven Intercity 3966 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8726 ->
18:14 18:14 Maastricht Intercity 861 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8654 ->
18:16 18:16 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2966 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9481 ->
— 18:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6470 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2208, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
18:25 18:25 Heerlen Intercity 3961 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9576, VIRM-4 9556 ->
18:35 18:35 Eindhoven Intercity 3968 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
18:44 +30 18:44 +30 Maastricht Intercity 863 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-6
VIRM-4 9570, VIRM-6 8608 ->
18:46 18:46 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2968 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8727 ->
— 18:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6472 3a
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2509 ->
18:55 +28 18:55 +28 Heerlen Intercity 3963 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9550, VIRM-4 9419 ->

19:00 – 20:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:05 19:05 Eindhoven Intercity 3970 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9524 ->
19:14 +5 19:14 +5 Maastricht Intercity 865 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-6
VIRM-4 9595, VIRM-6 8621 ->
19:16 19:16 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2970 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9420 ->
— 19:20 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6474 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-4 2523 ->
19:25 +2 19:25 +2 Heerlen Intercity 3965 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9508 ->
19:35 19:35 Eindhoven Intercity 3972 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9525 ->
19:44 19:44 Maastricht Intercity 867 3b
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8640, VIRM-4 9587 ->
19:46 19:46 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2972 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9548, VIRM-4 9522 ->
— 19:50 Tilburg Universiteit Sprinter 6476 3a
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2203, FLIRT FFF-4 2518 ->
19:55 19:55 Heerlen Intercity 3967 3b
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9403, VIRM-4 9480 ->

20:00 – 21:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:14 20:14 +1 Maastricht Intercity 869 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8651 ->
20:16 20:16 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2974 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8654 ->
20:25 20:25 Heerlen Intercity 3969 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9416 ->
20:35 20:35 Eindhoven Intercity 3976 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9559 ->
20:44 20:44 Maastricht Intercity 871 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9579 ->
20:46 +2 20:46 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2976 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8659 ->
— 20:50 +1 Maarheeze Sprinter 6480 3a
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
20:55 20:55 Heerlen Intercity 3971 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9562 ->

21:00 – 22:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:16 21:16 Amsterdam Centraal Intercity 2978 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8608 ->
21:17 21:17 +1 Maastricht Intercity 2973 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->
21:46 21:46 +1 Sittard Intercity 2980 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8621 ->
21:47 21:47 Maastricht Intercity 2975 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8632 ->
— 21:50 Maarheeze Sprinter 6484 3a
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->

22:00 – 23:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:16 22:16 Sittard Intercity 2982 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8651 ->
22:17 22:17 Maastricht Intercity 2977 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
22:46 22:46 Sittard Intercity 2984 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9579 ->
22:47 22:47 Maastricht Intercity 2979 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9450 ->
— 22:50 Maarheeze Sprinter 6488 3a
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2218 ->

23:00 – 24:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:16 23:16 +1 Sittard Intercity 2986 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9587 ->
23:17 23:17 Maastricht Intercity 302981 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9573 ->
23:46 23:46 Sittard Intercity 2988 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8632 ->
23:47 23:47 Bovenkarspel Flora Intercity 2983 3b
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9481 ->
— 23:50 Maarheeze Sprinter 6492 3a
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->

00:00 – 01:00

2 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:17 +1 00:17 +1 Bovenkarspel Flora Intercity 2985 3b
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8727 ->
00:49 00:49 Sittard Intercity 2992 3a
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9450 ->

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others