Train services at Lelystad Centrum on May 1, 2023

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Lelystad Centrum on Monday, May 1, 2023. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Lelystad Centrum
Monday, May 1, 2023
Total services 167
On time 166 (99%)
Cancelled services 1 (1%)
Delayed trains* 0 (0%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

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04:00 – 05:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 04:44 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4308 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2706, SNG-3 2308 ->

05:00 – 06:00

4 services, 1 cancelled (25%), 1 delayed (25%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 05:14 +1 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4610 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 3008 ->
— 05:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4612 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2362, SNG-3 2320 ->
— 05:41 Zwolle Intercity 713 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4061 ->
— 05:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1812 —
Train did not depart

06:00 – 07:00

9 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:07 06:10 +1 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4614 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2727, SNG-3 3001 ->
— 06:11 Zwolle Intercity 1815 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4044, ICM-4 4244 ->
06:12 +1 06:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 714 2
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4096, ICM-4 4248 ->
— 06:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2427 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9406 ->
06:37 +1 06:40 +2 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4616 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2735, SNG-3 2307 ->
06:42 06:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1816 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7625 ->
06:46 06:47 Zwolle Intercity 717 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4084 ->
06:50 06:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4617 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2303, SNG-4 2709 ->
— 06:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2429 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9544 ->

07:00 – 08:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:07 07:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4618 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3046, SNG-3 2348 ->
07:12 07:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 718 1
DDZ-4DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7513, DDZ-4 7533 ->
07:16 07:17 Zwolle Intercity 1819 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4059, ICM-4 4201 ->
07:20 07:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4619 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2732, SNG-4 2768 ->
— 07:24 +1 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2431 2
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->
07:37 07:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4620 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2301 ->
07:42 07:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1820 1
ICM-3ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-3 4060, ICM-4 4250, ICM-3 4015 ->
07:46 07:47 Zwolle Intercity 721 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4018 ->
07:50 07:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4621 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2780, SNG-3 2327 ->
— 07:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2433 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9443 ->

08:00 – 09:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:07 08:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4622 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2709, SNG-3 2303 ->
08:12 08:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 722 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7650 ->
08:16 08:17 Zwolle Intercity 1823 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4228, ICM-3 4083 ->
08:20 08:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4623 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2708 ->
— 08:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2435 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9582 ->
08:37 08:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4624 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2768, SNG-4 2732 ->
08:42 08:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1824 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4223, ICM-3 4086 ->
08:46 08:47 Zwolle Intercity 725 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4248, ICM-3 4096 ->
08:50 08:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4625 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3008, SNG-3 3029 ->
— 08:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2437 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9406 ->

09:00 – 10:00

9 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:07 09:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4626 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2327, SNG-4 2780 ->
09:12 09:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 726 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4224, ICM-3 4020 ->
09:16 09:17 Zwolle Intercity 1827 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7625 ->
09:20 09:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4627 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2320, SNG-3 2362 ->
— 09:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2439 2
ICM-4
ICM-4 4241 ->
09:37 09:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4628 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2708 ->
09:42 09:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1828 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
09:46 09:47 Zwolle Intercity 729 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4089, ICM-3 4082 ->
09:50 09:54 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4629 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3001, SNG-4 2727 ->

10:00 – 11:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:07 10:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4630 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 3008 ->
10:12 10:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 730 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4043, ICM-3 4061 ->
10:16 +2 10:17 +2 Zwolle Intercity 1831 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7533 ->
10:20 10:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4631 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2307, SNG-4 2735 ->
10:37 10:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4632 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2362, SNG-3 2320 ->
10:42 10:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1832 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4244, ICM-3 4044 ->
10:46 +3 10:47 +2 Zwolle Intercity 733 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4015, ICM-4 4250 ->
10:50 +2 10:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4633 4
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 3046 ->

11:00 – 12:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:07 11:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4634 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2727, SNG-3 3001 ->
11:12 11:13 +2 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 734 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4057, ICM-3 4084 ->
11:16 11:17 Zwolle Intercity 1835 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7650 ->
11:20 11:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4635 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2301, SNG-3 3030 ->
11:37 11:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4636 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2735, SNG-3 2307 ->
11:42 11:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1836 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4201, ICM-3 4059 ->
11:46 11:47 Zwolle Intercity 737 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4086, ICM-4 4223 ->
11:50 11:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4637 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2303, SNG-4 2709 ->

12:00 – 13:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:07 12:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4638 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3046, SNG-3 2348 ->
12:12 12:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 738 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4063, ICM-3 4018 ->
12:16 12:17 Zwolle Intercity 1839 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4020, ICM-4 4224 ->
12:20 12:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4639 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2732, SNG-4 2768 ->
12:37 12:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4640 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2301 ->
12:42 12:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1840 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4083, ICM-4 4228 ->
12:46 12:47 Zwolle Intercity 741 4
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
12:50 12:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4641 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2780, SNG-3 2327 ->

13:00 – 14:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:07 13:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4642 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2709, SNG-3 2303 ->
13:12 13:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 742 1
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4096, ICM-4 4248 ->
13:16 +1 13:17 +1 Zwolle Intercity 1843 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4061, ICM-3 4043 ->
13:20 13:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4643 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2708 ->
13:37 13:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4644 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2768, SNG-4 2732 ->
13:42 13:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1844 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7625 ->
13:46 +1 13:47 +1 Zwolle Intercity 745 3
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4044, ICM-4 4244 ->
13:50 13:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4645 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3008, SNG-3 3029 ->

14:00 – 15:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:07 14:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4646 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2327, SNG-4 2780 ->
14:12 14:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 746 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4082, ICM-3 4089 ->
14:16 +2 14:17 +2 Zwolle Intercity 1847 3
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4084, ICM-3 4057 ->
14:20 +2 14:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4647 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2362 ->
— 14:24 +1 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2459 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9406 ->
14:37 +1 14:40 +3 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4648 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2708, SNG-3 3010 ->
14:42 +1 14:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1848 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7533 ->
14:46 14:47 Zwolle Intercity 749 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4059, ICM-4 4201 ->
14:50 14:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4649 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2727 ->
— 14:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2461 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9582 ->

15:00 – 16:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:07 15:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4650 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 3008 ->
15:12 +4 15:13 +4 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 750 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4072, ICM-3 4015 ->
15:16 15:17 Zwolle Intercity 1851 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4018, ICM-3 4063 ->
15:20 15:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4651 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2735 ->
— 15:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2463 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9443 ->
15:37 15:40 +2 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4652 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2362, SNG-3 3001 ->
15:42 +1 15:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1852 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7650 ->
15:46 +3 15:47 +3 Zwolle Intercity 753 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4228, ICM-3 4083 ->
15:50 +1 15:54 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4653 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 3046 ->
— 15:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2465 2
ICM-4
ICM-4 4243 ->

16:00 – 17:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:07 16:10 +1 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4654 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2727, SNG-3 2307 ->
16:12 16:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 754 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4223, ICM-3 4086 ->
16:16 16:17 Zwolle Intercity 1855 4
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4248, ICM-3 4096 ->
16:20 16:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4655 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2301, SNG-3 3030 ->
— 16:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2467 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9544 ->
16:37 16:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4656 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2735 ->
16:42 16:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1856 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4224, ICM-3 4020 ->
16:46 +2 16:47 +2 Zwolle Intercity 757 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7625 ->
16:50 16:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4657 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2303, SNG-4 2709 ->
— 16:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2469 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9406 ->

17:00 – 18:00

10 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:07 17:10 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4658 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3046, SNG-3 2348 ->
17:12 17:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 758 1
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
17:16 +2 17:17 +2 Zwolle Intercity 1859 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4089, ICM-3 4082 ->
17:20 17:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4659 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2732, SNG-4 2768 ->
— 17:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2471 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9582 ->
17:37 +1 17:40 Leiden Centraal Sprinter 4660 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2301 ->
17:42 17:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1860 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4043, ICM-3 4061 ->
17:46 +1 17:47 +1 Zwolle Intercity 761 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4015, ICM-3 4072 ->
17:50 17:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4661 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2780, SNG-3 2327 ->
— 17:54 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2473 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9443 ->

18:00 – 19:00

9 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:07 18:10 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4662 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2709, SNG-3 2320 ->
18:12 18:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 762 1
ICM-4ICM-3
ICM-4 4244, ICM-3 4044 ->
18:16 +2 18:17 +3 Zwolle Intercity 1863 3
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7650 ->
18:20 +2 18:24 +2 Zwolle Sprinter 4663 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2708 ->
— 18:24 Schiphol Airport Intercity 2475 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9597 ->
18:37 +1 18:40 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4664 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2768 ->
18:42 +1 18:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1864 1
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4057, ICM-3 4084 ->
18:46 +1 18:47 +1 Zwolle Intercity 765 4
ICM-3ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4060, ICM-3 4086, ICM-4 4223 ->
18:50 18:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4665 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 3029 ->

19:00 – 20:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:07 19:10 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4666 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2327, SNG-3 3010 ->
19:12 19:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 766 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4059 ->
19:16 +1 19:17 +1 Zwolle Intercity 1867 4
ICM-3ICM-4
ICM-3 4020, ICM-4 4224 ->
19:20 19:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4667 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2362 ->
19:37 19:40 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4668 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2708 ->
19:42 19:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1868 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4018 ->
19:46 +4 19:47 +4 Zwolle Intercity 769 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4012, ICM-3 4014 ->
19:50 +3 19:54 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4669 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2307, SNG-4 2727 ->

20:00 – 21:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:07 20:10 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4670 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 3001 ->
20:12 20:13 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 770 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4083 ->
20:16 +2 20:17 +3 Zwolle Intercity 1871 3
DDZ-4
DDZ-4 7540 ->
20:21 20:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4671 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2735 ->
20:37 20:40 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4672 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 2362 ->
20:42 20:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1872 1
ICM-4
ICM-4 4248 ->
20:46 20:47 Zwolle Intercity 773 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4061 ->
20:50 20:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4673 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 3046 ->

21:00 – 22:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:07 21:10 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4674 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2727, SNG-3 2307 ->
21:12 21:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 774 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7625 ->
21:16 21:17 +1 Zwolle Intercity 1875 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4044 ->
21:20 21:24 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4675 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2721 ->
21:37 21:40 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4676 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2735 ->
21:42 21:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1876 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4061 ->
21:46 21:47 Zwolle Intercity 777 4
ICM-3ICM-3
ICM-3 4084, ICM-3 4057 ->
21:50 21:54 Zwolle Sprinter 4677 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2760 ->

22:00 – 23:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:07 +1 22:10 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4678 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3046, SNG-3 3008 ->
22:12 +4 22:13 +4 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 778 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4015 ->
22:16 22:17 Zwolle Intercity 1879 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4059 ->
22:20 22:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4679 3
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2764, SNG-3 2358 ->
22:37 +1 22:40 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4680 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2721 ->
22:42 +1 22:43 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1880 1
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7650 ->
22:46 +2 22:47 +2 Zwolle Intercity 781 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4018 ->
22:50 +2 22:54 +2 Zwolle Sprinter 4681 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2709 ->

23:00 – 24:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:07 +2 23:10 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4682 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2760 ->
23:12 +1 23:13 +1 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 782 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4060 ->
23:16 23:17 Zwolle Intercity 1883 4
ICM-3
ICM-3 4083 ->
23:20 23:24 Zwolle Sprinter 4683 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2744, SNG-4 2768 ->
23:37 23:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 4684 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 2358 ->
23:42 23:43 Den Haag Centraal Intercity 1884 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4020 ->
23:46 23:47 Zwolle Intercity 785 4
ICM-4
ICM-4 4248 ->
23:50 23:54 +1 Zwolle Sprinter 4685 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 3018 ->

00:00 – 01:00

3 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:07 00:10 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 4686 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2709 ->
00:12 +3 00:13 +3 Leiden Centraal Intercity 786 1
ICM-3
ICM-3 4012 ->
00:16 00:17 Zwolle Intercity 1887 4
DDZ-6
DDZ-6 7625 ->

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others