Train services at Apeldoorn on July 30, 2023

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Apeldoorn on Sunday, July 30, 2023. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Apeldoorn
Sunday, July 30, 2023
Total services 273
On time 137 (50%)
Cancelled services 136 (50%)
Delayed trains* 0 (0%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

Click on a service to view the entire route and delays along the route. Visit live departures for Apeldoorn for live information.

06:00 – 07:00

2 services, 1 cancelled (50%), 1 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 06:53 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 982024 —
Train did not depart
— 06:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981018 —

07:00 – 08:00

8 services, 4 cancelled (50%), 4 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 07:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986185 —
Train did not depart
— 07:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983410 —
— 07:23 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 982025 —
Train did not depart
— 07:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981019 —
— 07:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986186 —
Train did not depart
— 07:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983411 —
— 07:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982026 —
Train did not depart
— 07:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981020 —

08:00 – 09:00

14 services, 7 cancelled (50%), 7 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 08:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986187 —
Train did not depart
— 08:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983412 —
— 08:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981892 —
Train did not depart
— 08:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980886 —
— 08:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982027 —
Train did not depart
— 08:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981021 —
— 08:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981925 —
Train did not depart
— 08:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980919 —
— 08:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986188 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 08:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983413 —
— 08:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981893 —
Train did not depart
— 08:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980887 —
— 08:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982028 —
Train did not depart
— 08:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981022 —

09:00 – 10:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 09:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981926 —
Train did not depart
— 09:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980920 —
— 09:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986189 —
Train did not depart
— 09:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983414 —
— 09:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981894 —
Train did not depart
— 09:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980888 —
— 09:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982029 —
Train did not depart
— 09:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981023 —
— 09:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981927 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 09:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980921 —
— 09:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986190 —
Train did not depart
— 09:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983415 —
— 09:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981895 —
Train did not depart
— 09:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980889 —
— 09:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982030 —
Train did not depart
— 09:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981024 —

10:00 – 11:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 10:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981928 —
Train did not depart
— 10:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980922 —
— 10:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986191 —
Train did not depart
— 10:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983416 —
— 10:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981896 —
Train did not depart
— 10:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980890 —
— 10:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982031 —
Train did not depart
— 10:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981025 —
— 10:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981929 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 10:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980923 —
— 10:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986192 —
Train did not depart
— 10:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983417 —
— 10:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981897 —
Train did not depart
— 10:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980891 —
— 10:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982032 —
Train did not depart
— 10:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981026 —

11:00 – 12:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 11:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981930 —
Train did not depart
— 11:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980924 —
— 11:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986193 —
Train did not depart
— 11:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983418 —
— 11:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981898 —
Train did not depart
— 11:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980892 —
— 11:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982033 —
Train did not depart
— 11:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981027 —
— 11:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981931 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 11:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980925 —
— 11:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986194 —
Train did not depart
— 11:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983419 —
— 11:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981899 —
Train did not depart
— 11:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980893 —
— 11:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982034 —
Train did not depart
— 11:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981028 —

12:00 – 13:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 12:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981932 —
Train did not depart
— 12:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980926 —
— 12:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986195 —
Train did not depart
— 12:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983420 —
— 12:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981900 —
Train did not depart
— 12:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980894 —
— 12:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982035 —
Train did not depart
— 12:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981029 —
— 12:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981933 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 12:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980927 —
— 12:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986196 —
Train did not depart
— 12:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983421 —
— 12:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981901 —
Train did not depart
— 12:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980895 —
— 12:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982036 —
Train did not depart
— 12:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981030 —

13:00 – 14:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 13:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981934 —
Train did not depart
— 13:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980928 —
— 13:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986197 —
Train did not depart
— 13:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983422 —
— 13:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981902 —
Train did not depart
— 13:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980896 —
— 13:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982037 —
Train did not depart
— 13:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981031 —
— 13:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981935 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 13:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980929 —
— 13:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986198 —
Train did not depart
— 13:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983423 —
— 13:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981903 —
Train did not depart
— 13:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980897 —
— 13:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982038 —
Train did not depart
— 13:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981032 —

14:00 – 15:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 14:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981936 —
Train did not depart
— 14:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980930 —
— 14:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986199 —
Train did not depart
— 14:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983424 —
— 14:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981904 —
Train did not depart
— 14:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980898 —
— 14:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982039 —
Train did not depart
— 14:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981033 —
— 14:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981937 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 14:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980931 —
— 14:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986200 —
Train did not depart
— 14:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983425 —
— 14:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981905 —
Train did not depart
— 14:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980899 —
— 14:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982040 —
Train did not depart
— 14:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981034 —

15:00 – 16:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 15:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981938 —
Train did not depart
— 15:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980932 —
— 15:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986201 —
Train did not depart
— 15:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983426 —
— 15:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981906 —
Train did not depart
— 15:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980900 —
— 15:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982041 —
Train did not depart
— 15:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981035 —
— 15:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981939 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 15:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980933 —
— 15:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986202 —
Train did not depart
— 15:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983427 —
— 15:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981907 —
Train did not depart
— 15:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980901 —
— 15:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982042 —
Train did not depart
— 15:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981036 —

16:00 – 17:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 16:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981940 —
Train did not depart
— 16:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980934 —
— 16:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986203 —
Train did not depart
— 16:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983428 —
— 16:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981908 —
Train did not depart
— 16:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980902 —
— 16:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982043 —
Train did not depart
— 16:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981037 —
— 16:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981941 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 16:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980935 —
— 16:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986204 —
Train did not depart
— 16:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983429 —
— 16:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981909 —
Train did not depart
— 16:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980903 —
— 16:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982044 —
Train did not depart
— 16:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981038 —

17:00 – 18:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 17:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981942 —
Train did not depart
— 17:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980936 —
— 17:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986205 —
Train did not depart
— 17:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983430 —
— 17:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981910 —
Train did not depart
— 17:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980904 —
— 17:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982045 —
Train did not depart
— 17:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981039 —
— 17:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981943 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 17:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980937 —
— 17:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986206 —
Train did not depart
— 17:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983431 —
— 17:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981911 —
Train did not depart
— 17:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980905 —
— 17:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982046 —
Train did not depart
— 17:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981040 —

18:00 – 19:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 18:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981944 —
Train did not depart
— 18:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980938 —
— 18:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986207 —
Train did not depart
— 18:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983432 —
— 18:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981912 —
Train did not depart
— 18:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980906 —
— 18:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982047 —
Train did not depart
— 18:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981041 —
— 18:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981945 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 18:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980939 —
— 18:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986208 —
Train did not depart
— 18:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983433 —
— 18:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981913 —
Train did not depart
— 18:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980907 —
— 18:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982048 —
Train did not depart
— 18:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981042 —

19:00 – 20:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 19:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981946 —
Train did not depart
— 19:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980940 —
— 19:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986209 —
Train did not depart
— 19:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983434 —
— 19:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981914 —
Train did not depart
— 19:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980908 —
— 19:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982049 —
Train did not depart
— 19:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981043 —
— 19:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981947 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 19:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980941 —
— 19:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986210 —
Train did not depart
— 19:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983435 —
— 19:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981915 —
Train did not depart
— 19:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980909 —
— 19:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982050 —
Train did not depart
— 19:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981044 —

20:00 – 21:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 20:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981948 —
Train did not depart
— 20:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980942 —
— 20:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986211 —
Train did not depart
— 20:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983436 —
— 20:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981916 —
Train did not depart
— 20:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980910 —
— 20:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982051 —
Train did not depart
— 20:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981045 —
— 20:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981949 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 20:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980943 —
— 20:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986212 —
Train did not depart
— 20:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983437 —
— 20:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981917 —
Train did not depart
— 20:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980911 —
— 20:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982052 —
Train did not depart
— 20:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981046 —

21:00 – 22:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 21:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981950 —
Train did not depart
— 21:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980944 —
— 21:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986213 —
Train did not depart
— 21:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983438 —
— 21:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981918 —
Train did not depart
— 21:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980912 —
— 21:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982053 —
Train did not depart
— 21:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981047 —
— 21:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981951 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 21:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980945 —
— 21:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986214 —
Train did not depart
— 21:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983439 —
— 21:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981919 —
Train did not depart
— 21:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980913 —
— 21:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982054 —
Train did not depart
— 21:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981048 —

22:00 – 23:00

16 services, 8 cancelled (50%), 8 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 22:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981952 —
Train did not depart
— 22:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980946 —
— 22:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986215 —
Train did not depart
— 22:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983440 —
— 22:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981920 —
Train did not depart
— 22:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980914 —
— 22:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982055 —
Train did not depart
— 22:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981049 —
— 22:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981953 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 22:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980947 —
— 22:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986216 —
Train did not depart
— 22:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983441 —
— 22:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981921 —
Train did not depart
— 22:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980915 —
— 22:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982056 —
Train did not depart
— 22:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981050 —

23:00 – 24:00

18 services, 9 cancelled (50%), 9 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 23:00 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981954 —
Train did not depart
— 23:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980948 —
— 23:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986217 —
Train did not depart
— 23:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983442 —
— 23:09 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981922 —
Train did not depart
— 23:09 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980916 —
— 23:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982057 —
Train did not depart
— 23:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981051 —
— 23:30 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981955 —
Train did not depart
Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 23:30 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980949 —
— 23:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986218 —
Train did not depart
— 23:35 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983443 —
— 23:39 Rotterdam Centraal Stopbus ipv trein 981923 —
Train did not depart
— 23:39 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 980917 —
— 23:51 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 982134 —
Train did not depart
— 23:51 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981128 —
— 23:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982058 —
Train did not depart
— 23:53 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981052 —

00:00 – 01:00

7 services, 3 cancelled (42.9%), 3 delayed (42.9%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
— 00:00 Amersfoort Centraal Snelbus ipv trein 980918 —
— 00:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 986116 —
Train did not depart
— 00:05 Zutphen Stopbus ipv trein 983341 —
— 00:21 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 982098 —
Train did not depart
— 00:21 Deventer Snelbus ipv trein 981092 —
— 00:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 981239 —
— 00:23 Deventer Stopbus ipv trein 982245 —
Train did not depart

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others