Train services at Helmond on August 30, 2024

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Helmond on Friday, August 30, 2024. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Helmond
Friday, August 30, 2024
Total services 143
On time 135 (94%)
Cancelled services 4 (3%)
Delayed trains* 4 (3%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

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05:00 – 06:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
05:45 +4 05:45 +4 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4416 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->

06:00 – 07:00

7 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:02 +3 06:02 +3 Dordrecht Intercity 3718 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8635 ->
06:15 +2 06:15 +2 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4418 1
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
06:28 +1 06:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3513 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
06:32 06:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3720 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8733 ->
06:45 +1 06:45 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4420 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201, FLIRT FFF-3 2207 ->
06:48 +1 06:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4415 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
06:58 +1 06:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3515 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8730 ->

07:00 – 08:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:02 +1 07:02 +1 Dordrecht Intercity 3722 1
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8655, VIRM-4 9510 ->
07:15 07:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4422 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
07:18 +1 07:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4417 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2213, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
07:28 +7 07:28 +7 Venlo Intercity 3517 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8676 ->
07:32 07:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3724 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
07:45 07:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4424 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230, FLIRT FFF-3 2213 ->
07:48 +2 07:48 +2 Deurne Sprinter 4419 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
07:58 +1 07:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3719 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8742 ->

08:00 – 09:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:02 08:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3726 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8730 ->
08:15 +5 08:15 +5 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4426 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->
08:18 +1 08:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4421 2
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
08:28 +1 08:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3721 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9547 ->
08:32 +4 08:32 +4 Dordrecht Intercity 3728 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8676 ->
08:45 08:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4428 1
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
08:48 +1 08:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4423 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2207, FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
08:58 +2 08:58 +2 Venlo Intercity 3723 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->

09:00 – 10:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:02 09:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3730 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8742 ->
09:15 09:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4430 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201, FLIRT FFF-3 2207 ->
09:18 +1 09:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4425 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
09:28 +1 09:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3725 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
09:32 +1 09:32 +1 Dordrecht Intercity 3732 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9547 ->
09:45 09:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4432 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
09:48 09:48 Deurne Sprinter 4427 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2213, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
09:58 +1 09:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3727 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9518, VIRM-4 9469 ->

10:00 – 11:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:02 10:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3734 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->
10:15 10:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4434 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230, FLIRT FFF-3 2213 ->
10:18 10:18 Deurne Sprinter 4429 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
10:28 10:28 Venlo Intercity 3729 2
VIRM-4VIRM-6
VIRM-4 9514, VIRM-6 8662 ->
10:32 10:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3736 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
10:45 10:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4436 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->
10:48 +1 10:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4431 2
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
10:58 +1 10:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3731 2
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8638, VIRM-4 9593 ->

11:00 – 12:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:02 +6 11:02 +6 Dordrecht Intercity 3738 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9469 ->
11:15 +1 11:15 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4438 1
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
11:18 +1 11:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4433 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2207, FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
11:28 +1 11:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3733 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8746 ->
11:32 11:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3740 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9514 ->
11:45 +1 11:45 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4440 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201, FLIRT FFF-3 2207 ->
11:48 11:48 Deurne Sprinter 4435 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
11:58 +1 11:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3735 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8635 ->

12:00 – 13:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:02 12:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3742 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8638 ->
12:15 12:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4442 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
12:18 12:18 Deurne Sprinter 4437 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2213, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
12:28 12:28 Venlo Intercity 3737 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8733 ->
12:32 12:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3744 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8746 ->
12:45 12:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4444 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230, FLIRT FFF-3 2213 ->
12:48 +1 12:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4439 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
12:58 +1 12:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3739 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->

13:00 – 14:00

9 services, 1 cancelled (11.1%), 1 delayed (11.1%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:02 +1 13:02 +1 Dordrecht Intercity 3746 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8635 ->
13:15 +1 13:15 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4446 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->
13:18 +1 13:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4441 2
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
13:28 +1 13:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3741 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
13:32 13:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3748 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8733 ->
13:32 13:32 Dordrecht Intercity 303748 —
Train is cancelled
13:45 13:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4448 1
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
13:48 +1 13:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4443 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2207, FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
13:58 +1 13:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3743 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8730 ->

14:00 – 15:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:02 +3 14:02 +3 Dordrecht Intercity 3750 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->
14:15 14:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4450 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201, FLIRT FFF-3 2207 ->
14:18 +1 14:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4445 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
14:28 14:28 Venlo Intercity 3745 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8676 ->
14:32 +1 14:32 +1 Dordrecht Intercity 3752 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
14:45 14:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4452 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
14:48 +1 14:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4447 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2213, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
14:58 +1 14:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3747 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8742 ->

15:00 – 16:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:02 15:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3754 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8730 ->
15:15 +1 15:15 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4454 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230, FLIRT FFF-3 2213 ->
15:18 15:18 Deurne Sprinter 4449 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
15:28 15:28 Venlo Intercity 3749 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9547 ->
15:32 15:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3756 1
VIRM-4VIRM-6
VIRM-4 9557, VIRM-6 8676 ->
15:45 15:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4456 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->
15:48 +1 15:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4451 2
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
15:58 +1 15:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3751 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->

16:00 – 17:00

9 services, 1 cancelled (11.1%), 1 delayed (11.1%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:02 +1 16:02 +1 Dordrecht Intercity 3758 1
VIRM-6VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8662, VIRM-6 8742 ->
16:15 16:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4458 1
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
16:18 +1 16:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4453 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2207, FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
16:28 +4 16:28 +4 Venlo Intercity 3753 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
16:32 16:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3760 1
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9518, VIRM-4 9547 ->
16:45 +2 16:45 +2 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4460 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201, FLIRT FFF-3 2207 ->
16:48 16:48 Deurne Sprinter 4455 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
16:58 16:58 Venlo Intercity 3755 —
Train is cancelled
16:58 +1 16:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 303755 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8733 ->

17:00 – 18:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:02 17:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3762 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8649 ->
17:15 17:15 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4462 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
17:18 +1 17:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4457 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2213, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
17:28 +2 17:28 +2 Venlo Intercity 3757 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9514 ->
17:32 17:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3764 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
17:45 +2 17:45 +2 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4464 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230, FLIRT FFF-3 2213 ->
17:48 +1 17:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4459 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
17:58 +4 17:58 +4 Venlo Intercity 3759 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8638 ->

18:00 – 19:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:02 18:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3766 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8733 ->
18:15 +4 18:15 +4 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4466 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->
18:18 +1 18:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4461 2
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
18:28 +1 18:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3761 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8746 ->
18:32 18:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3768 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9514 ->
18:45 18:45 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4468 1
FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
18:48 +1 18:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4463 2
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
18:58 +1 18:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3763 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8635 ->

19:00 – 20:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:02 19:02 Dordrecht Intercity 3770 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8638 ->
19:15 +1 19:15 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4470 1
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
19:18 19:18 Deurne Sprinter 4465 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
19:28 +1 19:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3765 2
VIRM-4VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9510, VIRM-4 9469 ->
19:32 19:32 Dordrecht Intercity 3772 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8746 ->
19:48 +1 19:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4467 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2213, FLIRT FFF-3 2230 ->
19:49 +1 19:49 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4472 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
19:58 +1 19:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3767 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->

20:00 – 21:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:02 +2 20:02 +2 Den Helder Intercity 3774 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8635 ->
20:15 20:15 Eindhoven Centraal Sprinter 4474 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2230, FLIRT FFF-3 2213 ->
20:18 +2 20:18 +2 Deurne Sprinter 4469 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
20:28 +3 20:28 +3 Venlo Intercity 3769 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
20:32 +1 20:32 +1 Den Helder Intercity 3776 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9510 ->
20:45 +1 20:45 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4476 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->
20:48 +1 20:48 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4471 2
FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2228 ->
20:58 +1 20:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 3771 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8730 ->

21:00 – 22:00

6 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:02 21:02 Eindhoven Centraal Intercity 3578 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8655 ->
21:18 21:18 Deurne Sprinter 4473 2
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
21:28 +4 21:28 +4 Venlo Intercity 3773 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8676 ->
21:32 +1 21:32 +1 Eindhoven Centraal Intercity 3580 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8721 ->
21:45 +2 21:45 +2 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4480 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-4
FLIRT FFF-3 2201, FLIRT FFF-4 2511 ->
21:58 +2 21:58 +2 Venlo Intercity 3775 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9557 ->

22:00 – 23:00

7 services, 2 cancelled (28.6%), 2 delayed (28.6%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:02 22:02 Eindhoven Centraal Intercity 3582 1
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8730 ->
22:18 +1 22:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4477 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->
22:28 +1 22:28 +1 Venlo Intercity 3777 2
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9547 ->
22:32 22:32 Eindhoven Centraal Intercity 3584 —
Train is cancelled
22:45 +1 22:45 +1 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4484 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2211, FLIRT FFF-3 2204 ->
22:58 22:58 Venlo Intercity 3779 —
Train is cancelled
22:58 +1 22:58 +1 Venlo Intercity 303779 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8666 ->

23:00 – 24:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:02 23:02 Eindhoven Centraal Intercity 3586 1
VIRM-6VIRM-4
VIRM-6 8676, VIRM-4 9557 ->
23:18 23:18 Deurne Sprinter 4481 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2233, FLIRT FFF-3 2225 ->
23:28 +2 23:28 +2 Venlo Intercity 3781 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8674 ->
23:32 +2 23:32 +2 Eindhoven Centraal Intercity 3588 1
VIRM-4
VIRM-4 9547 ->
23:45 +2 23:45 +2 's-Hertogenbosch Sprinter 4488 1
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2225, FLIRT FFF-3 2233 ->

00:00 – 01:00

2 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:18 +1 00:18 +1 Deurne Sprinter 4485 2
FLIRT FFF-4FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-4 2511, FLIRT FFF-3 2201 ->
00:28 +5 00:28 +5 Venlo Intercity 3585 2
VIRM-6
VIRM-6 8733 ->

01:00 – 02:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
01:18 +9 01:18 +9 Deurne Sprinter 4489 2
FLIRT FFF-3FLIRT FFF-3
FLIRT FFF-3 2204, FLIRT FFF-3 2211 ->

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others