Train services at Amsterdam Science Park on September 14, 2024

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Amsterdam Science Park on Saturday, September 14, 2024. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Amsterdam Science Park
Saturday, September 14, 2024
Total services 125
On time 114 (91%)
Cancelled services 1 (1%)
Delayed trains* 10 (8%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

Click on a service to view the entire route and delays along the route. Visit live departures for Amsterdam Science Park for live information.

05:00 – 06:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
05:28 +1 05:28 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5808 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2726 ->

06:00 – 07:00

3 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:10 +1 06:10 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5812 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
06:40 06:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 15814 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
06:49 +2 06:49 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5819 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2325 ->

07:00 – 08:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:10 +1 07:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5816 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
07:19 +1 07:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5821 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 3037 ->
07:40 07:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5818 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
07:49 +3 07:49 +3 Hilversum Sprinter 5823 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->

08:00 – 09:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:10 +1 08:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5820 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3037, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 2326 ->
08:19 08:19 Hilversum Sprinter 5825 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->
08:40 08:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5822 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
08:49 08:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5827 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->

09:00 – 10:00

7 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:10 09:10 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5824 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
09:19 +1 09:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5829 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2325 ->
09:29 09:29 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4624 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 2331, SNG-3 2364 ->
09:30 09:30 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4631 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2708, SNG-3 2320 ->
09:40 +1 09:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5826 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
09:49 +1 09:49 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5831 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 3037 ->
09:59 09:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4626 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2756, SNG-4 2782 ->

10:00 – 11:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:01 +4 10:01 +4 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4633 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2730, SNG-4 2752 ->
10:10 +1 10:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5828 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
10:19 +1 10:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5833 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->
10:29 +3 10:29 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4628 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2739, SNG-3 2313, SNG-3 2324 ->
10:31 10:31 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4635 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2365, SNG-4 2726 ->
10:40 +1 10:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5830 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3037, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 2326 ->
10:49 10:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5835 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->
10:59 +1 10:59 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4630 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2320, SNG-4 2708 ->

11:00 – 12:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:01 11:01 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4637 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2736 ->
11:10 +1 11:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5832 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
11:19 +11 11:19 +11 Hilversum Sprinter 5837 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->
11:29 11:29 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4632 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2752, SNG-4 2730 ->
11:30 +4 11:30 +4 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4639 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2356, SNG-4 2758 ->
11:40 11:40 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5834 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
11:49 11:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5839 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2325 ->
11:59 11:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4634 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2726, SNG-3 2365 ->

12:00 – 13:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:01 +1 12:01 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4641 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2364, SNG-3 2331, SNG-3 2348 ->
12:10 +5 12:10 +5 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5836 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
12:19 12:19 Hilversum Sprinter 5841 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 3037 ->
12:29 +1 12:29 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4636 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2736, SNG-4 2745 ->
12:31 12:31 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4643 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2782, SNG-4 2756 ->
12:40 +8 12:40 +8 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5838 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
12:49 +1 12:49 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5843 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->
12:59 12:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4638 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2758, SNG-3 2356 ->

13:00 – 14:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:01 +3 13:01 +3 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4645 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2324, SNG-3 2313, SNG-4 2739 ->
13:10 +1 13:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5840 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3037, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 2326 ->
13:19 +2 13:19 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5845 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->
13:29 +1 13:29 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4640 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 2331, SNG-3 2364 ->
13:30 13:30 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4647 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2708, SNG-3 2320 ->
13:40 +1 13:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5842 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
13:49 +2 13:49 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5847 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->
13:59 13:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4642 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2756, SNG-4 2782 ->

14:00 – 15:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:01 14:01 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4649 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2730, SNG-4 2752 ->
14:10 +1 14:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5844 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
14:19 14:19 Hilversum Sprinter 5849 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2325 ->
14:29 +4 14:29 +4 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4644 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2739, SNG-3 2313, SNG-3 2324 ->
14:31 +1 14:31 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4651 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2365, SNG-4 2726 ->
14:40 +4 14:40 +4 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5846 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
14:49 14:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5851 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 3037 ->
14:59 14:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4646 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2320, SNG-4 2708 ->

15:00 – 16:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:01 +1 15:01 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4653 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2736 ->
15:10 +1 15:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5848 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
15:19 +2 15:19 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5853 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->
15:29 +12 15:29 +12 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4648 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2752, SNG-4 2730 ->
15:30 +10 15:30 +10 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4655 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2356, SNG-4 2758 ->
15:40 +5 15:40 +5 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5850 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3037, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 2326 ->
15:49 +11 15:49 +11 Hilversum Sprinter 5855 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->
15:59 +3 15:59 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4650 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2726, SNG-3 2365 ->

16:00 – 17:00

9 services, 1 cancelled (11.1%), 1 delayed (11.1%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:01 +7 16:01 +7 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4657 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2364, SNG-3 2331, SNG-3 2348 ->
16:10 +4 16:10 +4 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5852 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
16:19 +1 16:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5857 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->
16:29 +3 16:29 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4652 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2736, SNG-4 2745 ->
16:31 16:31 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4659 —
Train is cancelled
16:31 +1 16:31 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 304659 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2733, SNG-4 2724 ->
16:40 +5 16:40 +5 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5854 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
16:49 16:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5859 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2325 ->
16:59 16:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4654 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2758, SNG-3 2356 ->

17:00 – 18:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:01 +1 17:01 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4661 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2324, SNG-3 2313, SNG-4 2739 ->
17:10 +1 17:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5856 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
17:19 +1 17:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5861 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 3037 ->
17:29 +2 17:29 +2 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4663 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2708, SNG-3 2320 ->
17:29 17:29 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4656 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2348, SNG-3 2331, SNG-3 2364 ->
17:40 +1 17:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5858 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
17:49 +2 17:49 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5863 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->
17:59 17:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4658 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2724, SNG-4 2733 ->

18:00 – 19:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:01 +9 18:01 +9 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4665 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2730, SNG-4 2752 ->
18:10 +1 18:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5860 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3037, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 2326 ->
18:19 +2 18:19 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5865 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->
18:29 +3 18:29 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4660 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2739, SNG-3 2313, SNG-3 2324 ->
18:31 18:31 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4667 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2365, SNG-4 2726 ->
18:40 +1 18:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5862 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
18:49 +1 18:49 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5867 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->
18:59 18:59 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4662 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2320, SNG-4 2708 ->

19:00 – 20:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:01 +3 19:01 +3 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4669 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2736 ->
19:10 +2 19:10 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5864 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
19:19 +1 19:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5869 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2325 ->
19:29 19:29 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4664 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2752, SNG-4 2730 ->
19:31 19:31 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4671 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2356, SNG-4 2758 ->
19:40 +1 19:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5866 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
19:49 19:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5871 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2326, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 3037 ->
19:59 +5 19:59 +5 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4666 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2726, SNG-3 2365 ->

20:00 – 21:00

7 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:01 +1 20:01 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4673 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2364, SNG-3 2331, SNG-3 2348 ->
20:10 +1 20:10 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5868 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2325, SNG-4 2744 ->
20:19 +1 20:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5873 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->
20:29 20:29 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 4668 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2736, SNG-4 2745 ->
20:31 +1 20:31 +1 Almere Oostvaarders Sprinter 4675 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2733, SNG-4 2724 ->
20:40 +2 20:40 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5870 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3037, SNG-3 3038, SNG-3 2326 ->
20:49 20:49 Hilversum Sprinter 5875 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->

21:00 – 22:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:10 +1 21:10 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5872 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
21:19 +2 21:19 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5877 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->
21:40 21:40 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5874 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
21:49 +1 21:49 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5879 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2311, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 3001 ->

22:00 – 23:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:10 22:10 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5876 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
22:19 +1 22:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5881 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->
22:40 22:40 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5878 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3001, SNG-3 2353, SNG-3 2311 ->
22:49 +5 22:49 +5 Hilversum Sprinter 5883 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->

23:00 – 24:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:10 +1 23:10 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5880 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
23:19 +1 23:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5885 1
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2736, SNG-3 2367 ->
23:40 +2 23:40 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5882 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-4 2703, SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 2328 ->
23:49 +7 23:49 +7 Hilversum Sprinter 5887 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2338 ->

00:00 – 01:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:10 +2 00:10 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5884 2
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-3 2367, SNG-4 2736, SNG-4 2745 ->
00:19 +1 00:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5889 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2328, SNG-3 3047, SNG-4 2703 ->
00:40 +1 00:40 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5886 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2338, SNG-3 3030, SNG-3 2340 ->
00:49 +1 00:49 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5891 1
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2736, SNG-3 2367 ->

01:00 – 02:00

2 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
01:19 +1 01:19 +1 Hilversum Sprinter 5893 1
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-3 2365, SNG-4 2726, SNG-3 2307 ->
01:51 +2 01:51 +2 Hilversum Sprinter 5895 1
SNG-3
SNG-3 2311 ->

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others