Train services at Bussum Zuid on October 10, 2024

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Bussum Zuid on Thursday, October 10, 2024. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Bussum Zuid
Thursday, October 10, 2024
Total services 134
On time 120 (90%)
Cancelled services 1 (1%)
Delayed trains* 13 (10%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

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05:00 – 06:00

3 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
05:09 05:09 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5808 1
SNG-4
SNG-4 2772 ->
05:30 05:30 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5710 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2716, SNG-4 2721 ->
05:50 05:50 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5812 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2761, SNG-4 2745 ->

06:00 – 07:00

7 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:08 06:08 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5712 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3036, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3041 ->
06:11 +1 06:11 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 14915 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2741, SNG-4 2732 ->
06:22 +1 06:22 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5814 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2746, SNG-3 2329 ->
06:38 +1 06:38 +1 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5817 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2314, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 3020 ->
06:38 +2 06:38 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5714 1
SLT-4SLT-6S
SLT-4 2462, SLT-6S 2651 ->
06:52 +2 06:52 +2 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5719 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 2317, SNG-3 2346 ->
06:52 +3 06:52 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5816 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3045, SNG-3 2347 ->

07:00 – 08:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:08 07:08 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5819 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2761 ->
07:08 +4 07:08 +4 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5716 1
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-3 2327, SNG-4 2732, SNG-4 2741 ->
07:22 +3 07:22 +3 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5721 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2721, SNG-4 2716 ->
07:22 +1 07:22 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5818 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3035, SNG-4 2734 ->
07:38 +2 07:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5821 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2316, SNG-4 2744 ->
07:38 +1 07:38 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5718 1
SLT-6
SLT-6 2621 ->
07:52 +2 07:52 +2 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5723 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3041, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3036 ->
07:52 +5 07:52 +5 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5820 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3020, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 2314 ->

08:00 – 09:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:08 +5 08:08 +5 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5823 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3009, SNG-3 3047 ->
08:08 +1 08:08 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5720 1
SLT-4SLT-6
SLT-4 2406, SLT-6 2605 ->
08:22 +1 08:22 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5725 2
SLT-6SSLT-4
SLT-6S 2651, SLT-4 2462 ->
08:22 +4 08:22 +4 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5822 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2761, SNG-4 2745 ->
08:38 +2 08:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5825 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2329, SNG-4 2746 ->
08:38 +3 08:38 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5722 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3012, SNG-3 3050 ->
08:52 +1 08:52 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5727 2
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2741, SNG-4 2732, SNG-3 2327 ->
08:52 +2 08:52 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5824 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2316 ->

09:00 – 10:00

8 services, 1 cancelled (12.5%), 1 delayed (12.5%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:08 +6 09:08 +6 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5827 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2347, SNG-3 3045 ->
09:08 +2 09:08 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5724 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2307, SNG-3 2359 ->
09:22 09:22 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5729 2
SLT-6
SLT-6 2621 ->
09:22 +9 09:22 +9 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5826 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 3009 ->
09:38 09:38 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5829 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2734, SNG-3 3035 ->
09:38 +1 09:38 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5726 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 2317, SNG-3 2340 ->
09:52 09:52 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5731 —
Train is cancelled
09:52 +1 09:52 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5828 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2746, SNG-3 2329 ->

10:00 – 11:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:08 +2 10:08 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5831 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2314, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 3020 ->
10:08 +1 10:08 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5728 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2716, SNG-4 2721 ->
10:22 +4 10:22 +4 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5733 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3050, SNG-3 3012 ->
10:22 10:22 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5830 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3045, SNG-3 2347 ->
10:38 +5 10:38 +5 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5833 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2761 ->
10:38 +1 10:38 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5730 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3036, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3041 ->
10:52 +8 10:52 +8 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5735 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 2307 ->
10:52 10:52 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5832 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3035, SNG-4 2734 ->

11:00 – 12:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:08 +2 11:08 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5835 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2316, SNG-4 2744 ->
11:08 11:08 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5732 1
SLT-4SLT-6S
SLT-4 2462, SLT-6S 2651 ->
11:22 +4 11:22 +4 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5737 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 2317, SNG-3 2346 ->
11:22 11:22 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5834 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3020, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 2314 ->
11:38 +11 11:38 +11 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5837 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3009, SNG-3 3047 ->
11:38 +1 11:38 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5734 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2732, SNG-4 2741 ->
11:52 +1 11:52 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5739 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2721, SNG-4 2716 ->
11:52 +3 11:52 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5836 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2761, SNG-4 2745 ->

12:00 – 13:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:08 +7 12:08 +7 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5839 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2329, SNG-4 2746 ->
12:08 +1 12:08 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5736 1
SLT-6
SLT-6 2621 ->
12:22 +1 12:22 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5741 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3041, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3036 ->
12:22 12:22 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5838 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2316 ->
12:38 +2 12:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5841 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2347, SNG-3 3045 ->
12:38 12:38 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5738 1
SLT-4SLT-6
SLT-4 2406, SLT-6 2605 ->
12:52 +1 12:52 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5743 2
SLT-6SSLT-4
SLT-6S 2651, SLT-4 2462 ->
12:52 12:52 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5840 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 3009 ->

13:00 – 14:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:08 +9 13:08 +9 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5843 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3035, SNG-4 2734 ->
13:08 +1 13:08 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5740 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3012, SNG-3 3050 ->
13:22 +3 13:22 +3 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5745 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2741, SNG-4 2732 ->
13:22 +1 13:22 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5842 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2746, SNG-3 2329 ->
13:38 +3 13:38 +3 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5845 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2314, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 3020 ->
13:38 +3 13:38 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5742 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2307, SNG-3 2359 ->
13:52 +4 13:52 +4 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5747 2
SLT-6
SLT-6 2621 ->
13:52 13:52 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5844 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3045, SNG-3 2347 ->

14:00 – 15:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:08 +2 14:08 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5847 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2761 ->
14:08 +7 14:08 +7 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5744 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 2317, SNG-3 2340 ->
14:22 +2 14:22 +2 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5749 2
SLT-6SLT-4
SLT-6 2605, SLT-4 2406 ->
14:22 +2 14:22 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5846 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3035, SNG-4 2734 ->
14:38 +2 14:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5849 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2316, SNG-4 2744 ->
14:38 14:38 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5746 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2716, SNG-4 2721 ->
14:52 14:52 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5751 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3050, SNG-3 3012 ->
14:52 14:52 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5848 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3020, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 2314 ->

15:00 – 16:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:08 +2 15:08 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5851 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3009, SNG-3 3047 ->
15:08 +1 15:08 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5748 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3036, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3041 ->
15:22 15:22 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5753 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 2307 ->
15:22 15:22 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5850 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2761, SNG-4 2745 ->
15:38 +3 15:38 +3 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5853 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2329, SNG-4 2746 ->
15:38 15:38 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5750 1
SLT-4SLT-6S
SLT-4 2462, SLT-6S 2651 ->
15:52 +1 15:52 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5755 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2340, SNG-3 2317, SNG-3 2346 ->
15:52 +3 15:52 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5852 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2316 ->

16:00 – 17:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:08 +1 16:08 +1 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5855 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2347, SNG-3 3045 ->
16:08 16:08 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5752 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2732, SNG-4 2741 ->
16:22 +1 16:22 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5757 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2721, SNG-4 2716 ->
16:22 +1 16:22 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5854 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 3009 ->
16:38 16:38 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5857 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2734, SNG-3 3035 ->
16:38 +6 16:38 +6 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5754 1
SLT-6
SLT-6 2621 ->
16:52 16:52 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5759 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3041, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3036 ->
16:52 +3 16:52 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5856 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2746, SNG-3 2329 ->

17:00 – 18:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:08 +2 17:08 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5859 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2314, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 3020 ->
17:08 17:08 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5756 1
SLT-4SLT-6
SLT-4 2406, SLT-6 2605 ->
17:22 +2 17:22 +2 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5761 2
SLT-6SSLT-4
SLT-6S 2651, SLT-4 2462 ->
17:22 +6 17:22 +6 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5858 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3045, SNG-3 2347 ->
17:38 +1 17:38 +1 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5861 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2761 ->
17:38 +1 17:38 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5758 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3012, SNG-3 3050, SNG-3 2327 ->
17:52 17:52 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5763 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2741, SNG-4 2732 ->
17:52 +2 17:52 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5860 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3035, SNG-4 2734 ->

18:00 – 19:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:08 +3 18:08 +3 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5863 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2316, SNG-4 2744 ->
18:08 +5 18:08 +5 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5760 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2307, SNG-3 2359 ->
18:22 +3 18:22 +3 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5765 2
SLT-6
SLT-6 2621 ->
18:22 +5 18:22 +5 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5862 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3020, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 2314 ->
18:38 +1 18:38 +1 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5865 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3009, SNG-3 3047 ->
18:38 18:38 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5762 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 2317 ->
18:52 18:52 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5767 2
SLT-6SLT-4
SLT-6 2605, SLT-4 2406 ->
18:52 +1 18:52 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5864 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2761, SNG-4 2745 ->

19:00 – 20:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:08 +1 19:08 +1 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5867 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2329, SNG-4 2746 ->
19:08 +1 19:08 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5764 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2716, SNG-4 2721 ->
19:22 +3 19:22 +3 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5769 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2327, SNG-3 3050, SNG-3 3012 ->
19:22 19:22 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5866 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2316 ->
19:38 +2 19:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5869 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2347, SNG-3 3045 ->
19:38 +1 19:38 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5766 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3036, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 3041 ->
19:52 +1 19:52 +1 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5771 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 2307 ->
19:52 +1 19:52 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5868 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 3009 ->

20:00 – 21:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:08 +3 20:08 +3 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5871 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2734, SNG-3 3035 ->
20:22 20:22 Utrecht Centraal Sprinter 5773 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2317, SNG-3 2346 ->
20:22 +1 20:22 +1 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5870 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2746, SNG-3 2329 ->
20:38 20:38 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5873 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2314, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 3020 ->
20:52 +3 20:52 +3 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5872 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3045, SNG-3 2347 ->

21:00 – 22:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:08 +2 21:08 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5875 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2761 ->
21:22 +6 21:22 +6 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5874 1
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3035, SNG-4 2734 ->
21:38 +2 21:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5877 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2316, SNG-4 2744 ->
21:52 +2 21:52 +2 Hoofddorp Sprinter 5876 1
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3020, SNG-3 3026, SNG-3 2314 ->

22:00 – 23:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:08 +3 22:08 +3 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5879 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3009, SNG-3 3047 ->
22:22 +3 22:22 +3 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5878 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2761, SNG-4 2745 ->
22:38 +4 22:38 +4 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5881 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2329, SNG-4 2746 ->
22:52 +1 22:52 +1 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5880 1
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2744, SNG-3 2316 ->

23:00 – 24:00

3 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:08 23:08 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5883 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2347, SNG-3 3045 ->
23:22 +2 23:22 +2 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5882 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3047, SNG-3 3009 ->
23:38 +2 23:38 +2 Amersfoort Vathorst Sprinter 5885 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2745, SNG-4 2761 ->

00:00 – 01:00

3 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:08 +3 00:08 +3 Amersfoort Centraal Sprinter 5887 2
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 2316, SNG-4 2744 ->
00:22 00:22 Amsterdam Centraal Sprinter 5886 1
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3045, SNG-3 2347 ->
00:38 +1 00:38 +1 Amersfoort Centraal Sprinter 5889 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 3047 ->

01:00 – 02:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
01:08 +5 01:08 +5 Amersfoort Centraal Sprinter 5891 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 3009 ->

Train drawings: © Arthur Pijpers, Wiek Vlasma and others