Train services at Rotterdam Lombardijen on November 25, 2024

This page shows all trains which have departed from station Rotterdam Lombardijen on Monday, November 25, 2024. This includes all trains scheduled to depart, including trains which were eventually cancelled.

Services which were cancelled in advance, for example due to engineering works, are not included in this overview.

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Rotterdam Lombardijen
Monday, November 25, 2024
Total services 136
On time 99 (73%)
Cancelled services 17 (12%)
Delayed trains* 20 (15%)
* trains delayed for 5 minutes or more, excluding cancelled services

Train services

Click on a service to view the entire route and delays along the route. Visit live departures for Rotterdam Lombardijen for live information.

04:00 – 05:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
04:54 +1 04:54 +1 Rotterdam Centraal Sprinter 5108 4
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2729 ->

05:00 – 06:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
05:21 +13 05:21 +13 Dordrecht Sprinter 5115 3
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2729, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2714 ->
05:24 +1 05:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5110 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2351 ->
05:51 +1 05:51 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5117 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2308, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
05:54 +14 05:54 +14 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5112 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2729 ->

06:00 – 07:00

7 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
06:08 +4 06:08 +4 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5012 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->
06:22 +2 06:22 +2 Dordrecht Sprinter 5019 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
06:24 +3 06:24 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5114 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2308 ->
06:36 06:36 Dordrecht Sprinter 5121 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
06:38 +2 06:38 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5014 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2325, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2346 ->
06:52 +1 06:52 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5021 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2351, SNG-3 3048 ->
06:54 +2 06:54 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5116 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728 ->

07:00 – 08:00

8 services, 4 cancelled (50%), 4 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
07:06 07:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5123 —
Train is cancelled
07:08 +1 07:08 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5016 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->
07:22 07:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5023 2
Train did not depart
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2729, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2714 ->
07:24 +3 07:24 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5118 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2351 ->
07:36 +10 07:36 +10 Dordrecht Sprinter 5125 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
07:38 07:38 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5018 —
Train is cancelled
07:52 +4 07:52 +4 Dordrecht Sprinter 5025 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2308, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
07:54 07:54 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5120 2
Train did not arrive
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2729 ->

08:00 – 09:00

8 services, 2 cancelled (25%), 2 delayed (25%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
08:06 +8 08:06 +8 Dordrecht Sprinter 5127 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2325 ->
08:08 +9 08:08 +9 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5020 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->
08:22 +7 08:22 +7 Dordrecht Sprinter 5027 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
08:24 +2 08:24 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5122 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2308 ->
08:36 +13 08:36 +13 Dordrecht Sprinter 5129 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
08:38 08:38 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5022 —
Train is cancelled
08:52 08:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5029 —
Train is cancelled
08:54 +3 08:54 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5124 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728 ->

09:00 – 10:00

8 services, 4 cancelled (50%), 4 delayed (50%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
09:06 +17 09:06 +17 Dordrecht Sprinter 5131 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2771 ->
09:08 09:08 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5024 —
Train is cancelled
09:22 09:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5031 —
Train is cancelled
09:24 +2 09:24 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5126 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2325, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2346 ->
09:36 +14 09:36 +14 Dordrecht Sprinter 5133 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
09:38 09:38 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5026 —
Train is cancelled
09:52 09:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5033 —
Train is cancelled
09:54 +5 09:54 +5 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5128 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->

10:00 – 11:00

8 services, 5 cancelled (62.5%), 5 delayed (62.5%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
10:06 10:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5135 —
Train is cancelled
10:08 10:08 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5028 —
Train is cancelled
10:22 10:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5035 —
Train is cancelled
10:24 +4 10:24 +4 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5130 1
SNG-4
SNG-4 2771 ->
10:36 +35 10:36 +35 Dordrecht Sprinter 5137 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
10:38 10:38 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5030 —
Train is cancelled
10:52 10:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5037 —
Train is cancelled
10:54 +3 10:54 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5132 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->

11:00 – 12:00

8 services, 2 cancelled (25%), 2 delayed (25%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
11:06 +14 11:06 +14 Dordrecht Sprinter 5139 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2308, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
11:08 11:08 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5032 —
Train is cancelled
11:22 11:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5039 —
Train is cancelled
11:24 +3 11:24 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5134 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2729 ->
11:36 +10 11:36 +10 Dordrecht Sprinter 5141 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2351, SNG-3 3048 ->
11:38 +10 11:38 +10 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5034 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2308 ->
11:52 +2 11:52 +2 Dordrecht Sprinter 5041 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2771 ->
11:54 +2 11:54 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5136 1
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728 ->

12:00 – 13:00

8 services, 1 cancelled (12.5%), 1 delayed (12.5%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
12:06 +6 12:06 +6 Dordrecht Sprinter 5143 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2325 ->
12:08 12:08 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5036 —
Train is cancelled
12:22 +1 12:22 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5043 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
12:24 +1 12:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5138 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2771 ->
12:36 +2 12:36 +2 Dordrecht Sprinter 5145 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
12:38 +2 12:38 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5038 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2325, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2346 ->
12:52 12:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5045 3
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2729, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2714 ->
12:54 +2 12:54 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5140 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->

13:00 – 14:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
13:06 +7 13:06 +7 Dordrecht Sprinter 5147 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
13:08 +3 13:08 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5040 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->
13:22 13:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5047 3
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-3 2308, SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
13:24 +2 13:24 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5142 2
SNG-4SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2729 ->
13:36 +15 13:36 +15 Dordrecht Sprinter 5149 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2351, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2352 ->
13:38 +4 13:38 +4 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5042 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321 ->
13:52 +2 13:52 +2 Dordrecht Sprinter 5049 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2771 ->
13:54 +1 13:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5144 2
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728, SNG-3 2308 ->

14:00 – 15:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
14:06 +1 14:06 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5151 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2325 ->
14:08 +4 14:08 +4 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5044 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2352, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2351 ->
14:22 +1 14:22 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5051 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
14:25 +1 14:25 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5146 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2771 ->
14:36 +5 14:36 +5 Dordrecht Sprinter 5153 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
14:38 +1 14:38 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5046 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2325, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2346 ->
14:52 14:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5053 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2714 ->
14:54 +1 14:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5148 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->

15:00 – 16:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
15:06 15:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5155 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
15:08 +2 15:08 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5048 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->
15:22 15:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5055 3
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-3 2308, SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
15:24 +2 15:24 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5150 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011 ->
15:36 +1 15:36 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5157 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2351, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2352 ->
15:38 +2 15:38 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5050 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321 ->
15:52 15:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5057 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2729, SNG-4 2771 ->
15:54 15:54 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5152 2
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728, SNG-3 2308 ->

16:00 – 17:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
16:06 16:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5159 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2325 ->
16:08 +1 16:08 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5052 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2352, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2351 ->
16:22 16:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5059 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
16:25 +1 16:25 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5154 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2771, SNG-4 2729 ->
16:36 16:36 Dordrecht Sprinter 5161 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
16:38 +1 16:38 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5054 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2325, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2346 ->
16:52 16:52 Dordrecht Sprinter 5061 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2714 ->
16:54 +1 16:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5156 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->

17:00 – 18:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
17:06 17:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5163 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
17:08 +1 17:08 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5056 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->
17:20 17:20 Dordrecht Sprinter 5063 3
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-3 2308, SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
17:24 +1 17:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5158 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011 ->
17:36 +1 17:36 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5165 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2351, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2352 ->
17:38 17:38 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5058 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321 ->
17:52 +8 17:52 +8 Dordrecht Sprinter 5065 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2729, SNG-4 2771 ->
17:54 +1 17:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5160 2
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728, SNG-3 2308 ->

18:00 – 19:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
18:06 +4 18:06 +4 Dordrecht Sprinter 5167 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2325 ->
18:08 +1 18:08 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5060 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2352, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2351 ->
18:22 18:22 Dordrecht Sprinter 5067 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
18:24 +6 18:24 +6 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5162 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2771, SNG-4 2729 ->
18:36 +5 18:36 +5 Dordrecht Sprinter 5169 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
18:38 +1 18:38 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5062 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2325, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2346 ->
18:52 +3 18:52 +3 Dordrecht Sprinter 5069 3
SNG-3SNG-4
SNG-3 3011, SNG-4 2714 ->
18:54 18:54 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5164 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->

19:00 – 20:00

8 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
19:06 19:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5171 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
19:08 +3 19:08 +3 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5064 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->
19:22 +1 19:22 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5071 3
SNG-3SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-3 2308, SNG-4 2728, SNG-4 2719 ->
19:24 +1 19:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5166 2
SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2714, SNG-3 3011 ->
19:36 +1 19:36 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5173 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2351, SNG-3 3048, SNG-3 2352 ->
19:38 +1 19:38 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5066 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321 ->
19:52 +2 19:52 +2 Dordrecht Sprinter 5073 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2729, SNG-4 2771 ->
19:54 +1 19:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5168 2
SNG-4SNG-4SNG-3
SNG-4 2719, SNG-4 2728, SNG-3 2308 ->

20:00 – 21:00

5 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
20:06 +3 20:06 +3 Dordrecht Sprinter 5175 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2346, SNG-3 3029, SNG-3 2325 ->
20:22 +1 20:22 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5075 3
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2359, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2310 ->
20:24 +1 20:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5170 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2771, SNG-4 2729 ->
20:36 20:36 Dordrecht Sprinter 5177 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
20:54 +1 20:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5172 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2706 ->

21:00 – 22:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
21:06 +5 21:06 +5 Dordrecht Sprinter 5179 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
21:24 +1 21:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5174 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->
21:36 21:36 Dordrecht Sprinter 5181 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2308 ->
21:54 +1 21:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5176 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2360, SNG-3 2321 ->

22:00 – 23:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
22:06 22:06 Dordrecht Sprinter 5183 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2729 ->
22:24 +1 22:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5178 2
SNG-3
SNG-3 2308 ->
22:36 22:36 Dordrecht Sprinter 5185 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2706 ->
22:54 +2 22:54 +2 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5180 2
SNG-3SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2310, SNG-3 3031, SNG-3 2359 ->

23:00 – 24:00

4 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
23:06 +1 23:06 +1 Dordrecht Sprinter 5187 3
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2740, SNG-4 2708 ->
23:24 +1 23:24 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5182 2
SNG-4
SNG-4 2706 ->
23:36 23:36 Dordrecht Sprinter 5189 3
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 2321, SNG-3 2360 ->
23:54 +1 23:54 +1 Den Haag Centraal Sprinter 5184 2
SNG-3SNG-3
SNG-3 3015, SNG-3 2309 ->

00:00 – 01:00

2 services, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
00:06 +1 00:06 +1 Roosendaal Sprinter 5191 3
SNG-3
SNG-3 2308 ->
00:54 +2 00:54 +2 Rotterdam Centraal Sprinter 5188 2
SNG-4SNG-4
SNG-4 2708, SNG-4 2740 ->

01:00 – 02:00

1 service, 0 cancelled (0%), 0 delayed (0%)

Arr. Dep. Destination Train Platf.
01:06 +1 01:06 +1 Roosendaal Sprinter 5195 3
SNG-4
SNG-4 2706 ->

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